Yeah, I am still VERY pessimistic about the 4s JB as well. I don't know a great deal about this topic - but it wasn't hard to notice that rather quickly (for IOS5) there was a tethered jb for the IP4 - then a "semi-tethered" and now an untethered. Along the way there were several rumors - most false, but some true. For the 4S, there isn't even tethered JB at this point (which I would be thrilled with). Things are MUCH quieter on the 4S side of things then for the good ol IP4. I just dont have a "warm fuzzy" feeling. I know Pod2g has some things goin on... but like I said, it's VERY quiet. Not a creature is stirring, not even a tethered jailbreak