So, I waited on the phone for hours on Tuesday morning the first day of the presale. Eventually I talked to an Apple who's computer wouldn't let him place my order. "but," he assured me,"youwont be able to get your iPhone 4 unroll the 28th" Turns out he was never able to take my order due to an overwhelmed server so the 28th was off the table anyway. It wasn't until the second day I was able to sucessfully place an order and now I have to waif till July 14th. That's okay, I'm still excited. However, I noticed that today, 4 days later, the apple site is still saying July 14th on phones ordered today. I was kind of expecting December or something by now